. The first time, it was shocking. Well-meaning people are attempting to put Jesus in structures that do not foster the expression of his life in the saints. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1989926/posts He is young and using Jesus is all he knows. Until that flaw is named and claimed, it is reasonable to expect this kind of thing to happen again. . The problem is that the average pew-sitter has no idea what things a leader should be judged by, and they merely judge based on either looks, speaking ability, or how fun the service is. Lindell hit two main points: the Bible is clear in its condemnation of homosexuality as sin and the ordinance is an infringement on the religious rights of Christians who believe so. Whenever I hear Mark Driscolls name, a passage keeps popping in my mind Beware of Alexander the coppersmith he has done us much harm. Driscoll and his potty-mouth preaching made an everlasting mark on 21st century church in America. He wants to release you from that burden and bondage, they havent asked for forgiveness? If others havent heard this song yet, give it a try and see what you think. http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_4d131547-f913-5d43-bfc5-5a292f4c27e1.html, What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. Let's see. I think MD needs a season in the wilderness to really think things out. 11 The Lord told him, Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. During this pandemic, we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and. Internet users are also shielded from much of GW reality. The church has spawned countless church plants, charities and conferences. How much do James River Church employees make? 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name., I dont think God has sent any dreams or visions to anyone vouching for Mark Driscoll? I know people who were previously baptized that jumped in to get the swag. Lydia wrote: Im sure someone wittier than I can do something with his Training ourselves to sense right from wrong. I wonder how much of this concern over gay rights is to deflect people from considering their own deficiencies. This can be anything from praying for people over the phone to working in the Online Campus studio. Who has harmed you? Albuquerque Blue reminded me of something about mark driscoll during the fall. We have been led by God to support another ministry. Almost all of them pointed to Gods leading. It certainly looked like they had been coached on what to say. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. He did it from one of the most powerful places in Southwest Missouri the pulpit of James River Church, where he leads an Assemblies of God congregation that often tops 9,000 worshipers on Sundays. Who would have thought that the message of the Cross for ALL people (the whosoever wills) would be diminished in pentecostal ranks?! until he says otherwise what else can a person think? Steven Reed, Stephens' opponent, had an easier time answering. http://godsbreath.net/2007/11/07/qualifications-for-pastors/, A few items: A preacher is not to be- And how many know you cant not everything you read on the internet is true, and so as a church I just I just know this, as a church we want to be careful that we dont ever put ourself in a situation where were shooting the wounded, and you know God has laid Mark and Grace upon Debbie and my heart repeatedly over the last several months. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. what they are. Maybe Driscoll feels a notch above Paul since hes not called for any ones death? Its a measure of arrogance. @ Lydia: And later did sort of brag about how beneficial it was to him in his spiritual life. Members are guests? Remember how everyone always tells Muslims to denounce terrorism and extremism? The US pastor, who has courtedcontroversy for what has been dubbed his "more-macho-than-thou" brand of Christianity, resigned from his Seattle megachurch in October after being found "guilty of pride" as well as abusive, controlling and manipulative behaviour. Christians have to be different than that. As Gram wrote above these are relationships (if you can call it that) built on trust. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. Dont forget his church plant was asked to leave my kids school at the time. Vulgarity and filth get fed to us little by little until we hardly notice weve ignored those first red flags and become part and parcel of the heresy. if mark is truly repentant than this sermon is him explaining how he persecuted and publicly stoned stephen to death which was actually mark stoning Jesus to death publicly and with no remorse. They knew exactly what they were buying. Did he have liveried Armorbearers blowing long trumpets before him to announce how HUMBLE(TM) he was (chuckle chuckle)? Why dont Driscoll and the boyz just get it over with and rename their religion Paulianity? then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: Because for me, it is the center of the practice of Christianity, and I had missed it. What I did not know, was that Jamie Munson and Scott Thomas had called Marc Fulmer, who leads Agathos to this day, and threatened to pull support unless I resigned from Agathos and Mars Hill Church took it over and re-branded the ministry as a Mars Hill ministry. I have read both accounts that Che was short for Chancho and also a play on his habitually calling everyone che which is slang for pal/friend etc. As for my outsider perspective he seems like someone youd want as a pastor if you wanted to get big and have lots of revenue streams. https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/how-to-respond-to-a-faith-crisis-establishing-and-building-trust/. The sad part is that members have no idea how they are viewed unless they ask uncomfortable questions. Just volunteers. "But we can speak and encourage people to vote in terms of the morality of the issue.". There will be a day of reckoning. A lot of people will say, 'I got that. their ministry grew and even people that werent christians were thankful for them. Its all good until (insert question or issue). @ Gus: There is no painting a happy face on Driscoll. Training ourselves to sense right from wrong based on the Word of God and empowered by the Holy Spirit will result in a clear conscience.. I wouldnt want to walk in his shoes and succumb to the large amount of pride he exhibits, what an empty way to live. Location. Im a done for now but that one meeting made we wonder if I could someday find a narrow gate church like the cult expert said. jesus example they put a robe on him a mockery of his kingship. I hope I am wrong. I believe this is the 2 Thessalonians time period so it will become increasingly more difficult to avoid false teachers. I had never heard someone talk like that. Youre not one of us. We dont hear about them so much, unfortunately, because they are not so concerned with informing the world about their humility. And of course, the author of Acts is writing more of a historical narrative so we dont get a lot of details. Humility? I would not say Driscoll was a jerk. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility, and genuine interest in people. One co worker attends and stated that they requested to see W2s and that he tithe accordingly when he was inquiring to become a member. now it seems that it has just gone to big business making a dollar off of Jesus name and some easy to quote scriptures. (figuratively)) Later he show us all how it was done. Some are stronger and more capable of speaking out and as we feel able to I believe that we must. Under the circumstances, Mark Driscoll needs a time out, huh? My great concern is that people leaving megas to find these narrow gate churches are used to high level spiritainment and may not feel able to reduce their standards to go to a small church. Its a professional, corporate institutional model based on an unbiblical clergy/ laity distinction. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. Imagine that. Why should we be surprised? A large percentage of modern evangelical mega-churchianity is beyond comprehenshion. Marks of a bully, and definitely not qualifications of an elder. John Lindell has spoken. Watch LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm, and 7pm as well as every Wednesday at 7pm. I know people are tired of hearing these messages and having to be acting upon them, but the virus does not care that we are tired. With BHouston, JLindell and MD there is no hope. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. He was an abusing thug. Thats exactly what I was thinking last weekend! His most shocking was when just before he stepped down from the pulpit and was in the midst of many scandals, he did a sermon on the many mistakes of Jesus. John Lindell, pastor of James River Church, represents a new breed of reformed Assembly of God pastors yes Calvinism in the Assembly of God! But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. As much as I distrust Acts29 and the YRR, and as much as many see Matt Chandlers action as mere damage control, at least he admitted that they screwed up, and there is still hope that he really meant it and that they will really act differently in the future because theyve learned something. For all the lack of American Idol production values I learned more in that one day of teaching at that little church then I did in all the years I attended Gateway. an important thing you wrote about gateway i think. Your facts are a bit off, beginning with the meaning of Che. I am no fan of his, but there are some big holes in your acvount of his life. An awful lot of people are having to do the exact same thing. I know how hard false teaching is to bear. Im guessing Driscolls trying to resurrect his career by going into Charismatic type denominations or churches. Even after becoming a believer he wanted more. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. Our heart at James River Church has always been to minister to people in our community. Rob Smiths orphanage was totally defunded and left broke by Marks Hill, the Lord has taken up for those children, thankfully. Analogously, there are certain qualities that police forces screen for, to hopefully screen out bullies who want a uniform. At some point, with enough outcry and rage from outside, they may hopefully see it as you did looking up at that 3 x 5 card on your bulletin.
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